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National Pre-Season XC 2018

GIRLS Teams - National 2018

Bill Meylan (July 26, 2018)

 
  • Girls - Contending National Teams
  •  ... I do this each pre-season for my own interest and to gather background information
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  • Purpose
  •  ... Get a general idea where the national teams might rank overall
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  • Ranking Method
  •  ... General extension of the 2017 XC season into 2018
  •  ... Focus on cross country results ... modify selectively with track results
  •  ... Exclude teams with limited data or data that can't be guessed readily
  •  ... First Criteria - consider teams that competed in the NXN Regional races
  •  ... Consider performance in championship races
  •  ... Initially, combine about 85-90 teams in a single race scenario (via speed ratings)
  •  ... Eliminate 10-20 teams with the worst scores in an iterative process
  •  ... Stop when 30 teams remain ... Manipulate scores and positions based on other factors

Once the real season starts, I tend to ignore the pre-season.

Remember ... this list is just an informational starting point ... Real 2018 race results are what count.

I did add some Regional Projections

 

 National GIRLS Teams 2018
 

 Pre-Season Projection - Girls National Team Contenders - 2018


      School                 State   Score    NXN Region
      --------------------   -----   -----    ----------
  1   Wayzata                 MN      259     Heartland
  2   Mountain Vista          CO      260     Southwest
  3   Naperville North        IL      261     Midwest
  4   Jesuit                  OR      262     Northwest
  5   Great Oak               CA      275     California
  6   Fayetteville-Manlius    NY      300     New York
  7   Pine Crest              FL      350     Southeast
  8   Centerville             OH      370     Midwest
  9   Lone Peak               UT      380     Southwest
  10  Claremont               CA      380     California
  11  Yorkville               IL      390     Midwest
  12  Buchanan                CA      400     California
  13  Saratoga Springs        NY      405     New York
  14  Muskego                 WI      410     Heartland
  15  Liverpool               NY      415     New York
  16  Boise Senior            ID      415     Northwest
  17  Northville              MI      420     Midwest
  18  Granada                 CA      420     California
  19  North Central           WA      425     Northwest
  20  Edina                   MN      440     Heartland
  21  Blacksburg              VA      445     Southeast
  22  Auburn                  AL      450     Southeast
  23  Peak to Peak            CO      455     Southwest
  24  North Rockland          NY      460     New York
  25  Mountain View           ID      465     Northwest
  26  Downers Grove South     IL      465     Midwest
  27  Battle Mountain         CO      470     Southwest
  28  Bishop Guertin          NH      470     Northeast
  29  Summit                  OR      480     Northwest
  30  North Hunterdon         NJ      490     Northeast
  30* Southlake Carroll       TX      490     South
       * added above (from below) for team
         regional representation from each region


    The next group is basically in order following the
     list above ... Many are very close and the order
      could be shuffled a lot:


      Saint Michael-Albertville MN      Heartland
      Farmington                MN      Heartland
      Desert Hills              UT      Southwest
      Hamilton Southeastern     IN      Midwest
      Beavercreek               OH      Midwest
      Vista Murrieta            CA      California
      Barrington                IL      Midwest
      Minneapolis Washburn      MN      Heartland
      Daniel                    SC      Southeast
      Bolles                    FL      Southeast
      Riverside                 SC      Southeast
      Ursuline Academy          OH      Midwest
      Carmel                    IN      Midwest
      Fort Wayne Carroll        IN      Midwest
      Sun Prairie               WI      Heartland
      Billings Sr               MT      Northwest
      Glenbard West             IL      Midwest
      St. James Academy         KS      Heartland
      Bozeman                   MT      Northwest
      Marietta                  GA      Southeast
      Keller                    TX      South
      Mountain Brook            AL      Southeast
      Willmar                   MN      Heartland
      Cardinal Gibbons          NC      Southeast
      Wheaton Warrenville So    IL      Midwest
      Saugus                    CA      California
      Colts Neck                NJ      Northeast  (added July 27)
      Houston Stratford         TX      South
      Foothill Tech             CA      California
      Lyons Township            IL      Midwest
      Zionsville Community      IN      Midwest
      Weddington                NC      Southeast
      Hilliard Davidson         OH      Midwest
      Benet Academy             IL      Midwest
      Chiles                    FL      Southeast
      Skyline                   ID      Northwest
      Lewisville Hebron         TX      South
      West Lafayette            IN      Midwest
      Burleson Centennial       TX      South
      Green Hope                NC      Southeast
      St. Mary's Academy        OR      Northwest
      Hellgate                  MT      Northwest
		
  • Where did the scores come from?
  •  ... 2017 Seasonal Speed Ratings
  •  ... Manual manipulation based on track results (but not that many)
  •  ... Manual manipulation based on Guessing
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  • Last Year's Pre-Season Projections (Guesses)
  •  ... 2017 Projections & NXN Results are shown in a table below
  •  ... Of the 22 teams at NXN 2017, I did not identify 3 teams (they were unranked in the top 30 teams and not listed in the extra team list)
  •  ... 8 of the top 12 teams at NXN 2017 were ranked in my pre-season top12 teams
  • General Comments for the Coming Season
  •  ... Top pre-season teams are typically highly-ranked teams from the previous year that return a solid core of good runners
  •  ... 16 of the top 30 teams above competed at NXN Nationals last year
  •  ... 5 of the top 6 teams above finished in the top 8 at NXN Nationals last year
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  • The top four teams (Wayzata, Mountain Vista, Naperville North and Jesuit) - LOOK EVEN-UP
  • Fayetteville-Manlius is still in contention
  • Major switching of teams #7 through #30 is very possible.
Comments on the TOP 20 Teams:
#1 - Wayzata MN ... Wayzata finished 7th at NXN Nationals last year with a good performance ... More importantly, all five NXN scorers return (3 juniors and 2 sophomores this coming season) ... Returning speed ratings are 140, 138, 127, 124 and 112 ... Wayzata won NXN Nationals in 2013 and were the NXR Heartland winners last year.

#2 - Mountain Vista CO ... Mountain Vista finished 6th at NXN Nationals last year (only 3 points separated Mountain Vista and Wayzata) ... Mountain Vista was 2nd at the NXR Southwest Regional last year ... they return their top 5 runners from NXN Nationals (top runner Jenna Fitzsimmons is profiled #38 at Top Individual Runner Profiles)... Returning speed ratings are 142,132, 131, 123 and 110.

#3 - Naperville North IL ... Naperville North finished an outstanding 2nd at NXN Nationals last year (only 5 points behind Fayetteville-Manlius) ... they were 10th in 2016, 14th in 2015 and 4th in 2014 ... Multiple appearances at NXN Nationals is a big plus ... Naperville North won NXR Midwest last year ... But they graduate 2 of their top 3 runners from NXN National including top runner Sarah Schmitt (8th at both NXN and Foot Locker Nationals) ... However, Naperville North picks up a very good transfer runner (Campbell Petersen, from Dunlap IL, who had speed ratings in the 128-130 range) ... Returning for the coming season speed ratings are about 140s (Alex Morris, see Top Individual Runner Profiles #30), 129, 122, 122 and 116.

#4 - Jesuit OR ... Jesuit finished 15th at NXN Nationals last year (not their best seasonal performance) ... they finished 2nd at NXR Northwest ... Jesuit returns 5 of their top 6 runners ... Returning speed ratings are 137, 135, 132, 123 and 107.

#5 - Great Oak CA ... Great Oak finished 8th at NXN last year, 3rd in 2016, 3rd in 2015 and 2nd in 2014 ... Great Oak returns 5 of their top 6 finishers from NXN including their top 3 finishers (two are profiled at Top Individual Runner Profiles, #28 & #29)  ... Great Oak has excellent depth and gets credit for that ... Returning speed ratings are about 144, 141, 123, 118 and 109.

#6 - Fayetteville-Manlius NY ... FM is the defending NXN champion ... FM has been the NXN champion in 11 of the last 12 years ... As noted in previous years, picking FM as the favorite to win NXN does not require much imagination, But this year MAY be different ... in most previous years, there were some indications that FM might be reloading, but in all honesty, at this time, I don't see it and have not been told about it happening ... It could be happening ... will not surprise if it happens ... So I'm allowing some credit for that possibility because it has happened so often in the past ..... BUT based on what I see as I write this, Fayetteville-Manlius should not be placed in the top 5 nationally.

Fayetteville-Manlius returns only 2 of their top 5 girls from last year's winning team NXN team ... Fortunately for FM, their top two girls are returning (Claire Walters, 5th at NXN, and Phoebe White, 15th at NXN, and that's a huge start ... full profiles at Top NY Girls Profiles) ... their #3 is expected to be good ... their future strength will depend on the performances at the #4 and #5 positions (currently a mystery to be guessed by me and others).

Fayetteville-Manlius may be pushed just to be the top team in New York ... Saratoga and Liverpool can offer stiff competition in NY ... Should FM finish 3rd at the NXR Regional, they could easily receive an At-Large selection based on their history of performance and success at NXN Nationals and to get two of the top individual runners nationally into the race ..... More info about FM is available from my NY Pre-season Team Projections,  ... Returning speed ratings are about 147, 144 120s, and 100-110 (guessing).

#7 - Pine Crest FL ... Pine Crest did not qualify for NXN Nationals last year ... they finished 4th at the NXR Southeast Regional after winning the Florida State 2A Championship ... Pine Crest returns their entire team from NXR ... Returning speed ratings are 135, 127, 127, 119 and 104. 

#8 - Centerville OH ... Centerville did not qualify for NXN Nationals last year ... they finished 4th at NXR Midwest ... they won the Ohio State D1 Meet ... Centerville returns their entire team from NXR ... Returning speed ratings are 130, 127, 122, 114 and 113.

#9 - Lone Peak UT ... Lone Peak did not qualify for NXN Nationals last year ... they finished 4th at NXR Southwest ... Lone Peak returns their entire team from NXR ... Returning speed ratings are 130, 128, 117, 117 and 110.

#10 - Claremont CA ... Claremont finished 9th at NXN Nationals last year ... they return 5 of their top 7 from NXN including the top 4 finishers ... Returning speed ratings are 132, 124, 121, 119 and 105.

#11 - Yorkville IL ... Yorkville finished 18th at NXN Nationals last year ...  they finished 2nd at NXR Midwest ... Yorkville returns 6 of 7 runners from NXN (but lose the #2 runner from NXN) ... Returning speed ratings are 131, 130, 116, 116 and 107.

#12 - Buchanan CA ... Buchanan finished 12th at NXN Nationals last year ... Buchanan finished 3rd in the California State Meet merge ... they return their top 3 runners from NXN (but the other 4 graduated) ... Two of their returning runners are top national runners (profiled at Top Individual Runner Profiles, #26 & #27) and #3 is good ... I am guessing their #4 and #5 runners will be decent, and that gets them ranked ... Returning speed ratings are 147, 146, 123, and 100-105 (guesses).

#13 - Saratoga Springs NY ... Saratoga is a perennial competitor at NXN ... they have competed at NXN Nationals in 12 of the 14 years that NXN has operated ... Last year Saratoga finished 14th at NXN ... Top runner Kelsey Chmiel finished 2nd at NXN Nationals (her individual profile is available from the Top Individual Runner Profiles, #3) ... more info is available from my NY Pre-season Team Projections ... Returning speed ratings are 158, 117, 115, 114 and variable (100-110).

#14 - Muskego WI ... Muskego did not qualify for NXN Nationals last year (they did not race at the NXR Regional) ... Muskego finished 2nd to Sun Prairie at the Wisconsin State Meet (Sun Prairie is listed in the extra group below the Top 30 above ... Sun Prairie lost their top runner to graduation) ... Muskego returns their entire team from States and five were freshmen last year ... Returning speed ratings from States are 140, 134, 116, 110, 105, 102 and 102.

#15 - Liverpool NY ... Liverpool finished 13th at NXN Nationals last year ... Liverpool returns 6 of 7 runners from NXN, including their top 3 that form a solid core of a nationally ranked team ... more info on Liverpool is available from my NY Pre-season Team Projections ... Profiles for their top two runners are available at Top NY Girls Profiles ... Returning speed ratings are 141, 132+, 112+, 105+ and 100+.

#16 - Boise Senior ID ...  Boise Senior did not qualify for NXN Nationals last year (they did not race as a complete team at NXR Northwest) ... they return their top runners from States that has a very strong top core of three runners (which gets them ranked here assuming an improvement at the #5 position) ... Returning speed ratings from States are 139, 130, 129, 107 and 87.

#17 - Northville MI ... Northville did not qualify for NXN Nationals last year (they did not race at NXR Midwest, perhaps due to potential restrictions-sanctions imposed by the Michigan High School Athletic Assoc) ... Northville finished a very close 2nd at the Michigan State Meet and return 6 of 7 runners (including the top two) ... Returning speed ratings from States are 134, 131, 112, 111 and 107.

#18 - Granada CA ... Granada did not qualify for NXN Nationals last year ... they finished 6th in the overall merge at the California State Meet ... Granada returns their entire team from States ... Returning speed ratings from States are 131, 123, 121, 114 and 106 (meaning they could be ranked higher based on speed ratings alone).

#19 - North Central WA ... North Central WA did not qualify for NXN Nationals last year ... they finished 8th at NXN Northwest and won the Washington State 3A title ... the top 4 runners from States return ... Returning speed ratings from States are 134, 124, 124, 124 and 64 ... I'm assuming some improvement at the #5 position (a major improvement would boost their ranking).

#20 - Edina MN ... Edina finished 11th at NXN Nationals last year and 12th in 2016 ... Edina was 2nd to Wayzata the NXR Heartland Regional ... their top two runners graduated, but Edina has been able to reload in recent years with a deep squad ... Returning speed ratings are 122, 119, 116, 115 and 114.

 

 

  Last Year's (2017) Girl's Pre-Season Projections ... and corresponding results with NXN Nationals
 
      Pre-Season 2017
                                            NXN                  Finish Order at            Last Year's
      School                State  Score   Region                   NXN 2017                Pre-Season Projection
      --------------------  -----  -----   ------          -----------------------------    -----------------------
  1   Fayetteville-Manlius    NY    110   New York          1   Fayetteville-Manlius  NY  -  #1  pre-season
  2   Keller                  TX    285   South             2   Naperville North      IL  -  #12 pre-season
  3   Broomfield              CO    295   Southwest         3   Battle Mountain       CO  -  #30+ group pre-season
  4   Buchanan                CA    320   California        4   Keller                TX  -  #2  pre-season
  5   Mountain Vista          CO    340   Southwest         5   Bozeman               MT  -  #19 pre-season
  6   Davis Senior            CA    335   California        6   Mountain Vista        CO  -  #5  pre-season
  7   Sunset                  OR    350   Northwest         7   Wayzata               MN  -  #30+ group pre-season
  8   Edina                   MN    370   Heartland         8   Great Oak             CA  -  #10 pre-season
  9   Jesuit                  OR    370   Northwest         9   Claremont             CA  -  #30+ group pre-season
  10  Great Oak               CA    390   California        10  Broomfield            CO  -  #3  pre-season
  11  Mountain View-ID        ID    395   Northwest         11  Edina                 MN  -  #8  pre-season
  12  Naperville North        IL    405   Midwest           12  Buchanan              CA  -  #4  pre-season
  13  Saratoga                NY    405   New York          13  Liverpool             NY  -  unranked (#9 New York)
  14  Fort Wayne Carroll      IN    420   Midwest           14  Saratoga Springs      NY  -  #13 pre-season
  15  Cardinal Gibbons        NC    420   Southeast         15  Jesuit                OR  -  #9  pre-season
  16  Centerville             OH    425   Midwest           16  Cardinal Gibbons      NC  -  #15 pre-season
  17  Lyons Township          IL    425   Midwest           17  Blacksburg            VA  -  #29 pre-season
  18  North Rockland          NY    430   New York          18  Yorkville             IL  -  #30+ group pre-season
  19  Bozeman                 MT    440   Northwest         19  duPont Manual         KY  -  unranked
  20  Palos Verdes            CA    445   California        20  Southlake Carroll     TX  -  #26 pre-season
  21  Johnston                IA    445   Heartland         21  North Hunterdon       NJ  -  #30 pre-season
  22  Pine Crest              FL    445   Southeast         22  Kingsway              NJ  -  unranked
  23  Canyon/Anaheim          CA    445   California
  24  Billings Sr             MT    450   Northwest
  25  Troy                    OH    450   Midwest
  26  Southlake Carroll       TX    450   South
  27  Minnetonka              MN    455   Heartland
  28  Camas                   WA    460   Northwest
  29  Blacksburg              VA    460   Southeast
  30  Carmel                  IN    460   Midwest
  30* North Hunterdon         NJ    490+  Northeast
  30* Milton                  MA    490+  Northeast
  30* Colts Neck              NJ    490+  Northeast
		

 

 Girls Pre-Season Regional Projections 2018

 

Some viewers have asked me to do a Pre-season Regional "Guess" ... Below are some numbers from my worksheets by Region showing teams I considered.

Remember ... My main purpose is to identify teams for Nationals and not to do an in-depth evaluation for each region (New York is the only exception) ... That's why the list below is limited in some respects ... I looked at cross country performances from 2017 (from my databases only) and selected potential National teams ... I needed to find enough data on enough returning runners to make a guess without additional time-consuming searching (otherwise, teams got excluded).

I do not believe it is worth spending lots of time on the pre-season because we will find out soon enough who is good (and unexpectedly good) when the real season starts ... The pre-season lists help me identify teams that might need to be followed.

 

 
California
    Great Oak               CA     75     California
    Claremont               CA     95     California
    Granada                 CA    105     California
    Buchanan                CA    120     California
    Vista Murrieta          CA    140     California
    Saugus                  CA    155     California
    Foothill Tech           CA    160     California
    King M.L.-SS            CA    180     California
    Serrano                 CA    180     California
    Mira Costa              CA    185     California
    Oakland Tech            CA    185     California

Heartland
    Wayzata                 MN     70     Heartland
    Muskego                 WI    115     Heartland
    Edina                   MN    120     Heartland
    Saint Michael-Albertvil MN    130     Heartland
    Farmington              MN    140     Heartland
    Willmar                 MN    150     Heartland
    St. James Academy       KS    155     Heartland
    Sun Prairie             WI    155     Heartland
    Minneapolis Washburn    MN    160     Heartland
    Johnston                IA    185     Heartland
    Forest Lake Area        MN    200     Heartland

Midwest
    Naperville North        IL    120     Midwest
    Centerville             OH    160     Midwest
    Yorkville               IL    180     Midwest
    Northville              MI    215     Midwest
    Downers Grove South     IL    220     Midwest
    Barrington              IL    260     Midwest
    Hamilton Southeastern   IN    260     Midwest
    Beavercreek             OH    265     Midwest
    Fort Wayne Carroll      IN    275     Midwest
    Ursuline Academy        OH    275     Midwest
    Carmel                  IN    280     Midwest
    Glenbard West           IL    285     Midwest
    Wheaton Warrenville So  IL    290     Midwest
    Lyons Township          IL    295     Midwest
    Zionsville Community    IN    295     Midwest
    Benet Academy           IL    300     Midwest
    Hilliard Davidson       OH    305     Midwest
    West Lafayette          IN    315     Midwest
    Minooka                 IL    325     Midwest
    Batavia                 IL    330     Midwest

New York (see NY Girls Projection Page)
    Fayetteville-Manlius    NY    175     New York
    Saratoga                NY    185     New York
    Liverpool               NY    190     New York
    John Jay Cross River    NY    295     New York
    Niskayuna               NY    320     New York
    Monroe-Woodbury         NY    320     New York
    North Rockland          NY    325     New York
    Warwick Valley          NY    360     New York
    Shenendehowa            NY    365     New York
    Pearl River             NY    420     New York
    Notre Dame              NY    430     New York

Northeast
    Bishop Guertin          NH     90     Northeast
    North Hunterdon         NJ     90     Northeast
    Colts Neck              NJ    100     Northeast (added July 27)
    Concord Carlisle        MA    110     Northeast
    Oakland Catholic        PA    120     Northeast
    Wellesley               MA    125     Northeast
    Natick                  MA    135     Northeast
    Fox Chapel Area         PA    140     Northeast
    Pinkerton Academy       NH    145     Northeast
    Champlain Valley        VT    160     Northeast
    Kingsway                NJ    175     Northeast

Northwest
    Jesuit                  OR     75     Northwest
    North Central           WA    125     Northwest
    Boise Senior            ID    125     Northwest
    Mountain View           ID    130     Northwest
    Summit                  OR    140     Northwest
    Billings Sr             MT    155     Northwest
    Bozeman                 MT    160     Northwest
    Skyline                 ID    180     Northwest
    Hellgate                MT    180     Northwest
    St. Mary's Academy      OR    185     Northwest
    Lewis And Clark         WA    190     Northwest
    Laramie                 WY    195     Northwest

South
    Southlake Carroll       TX     90     South
    Houston Stratford       TX     90     South
    Keller                  TX     90     South
    Burleson Centennial     TX    100     South
    Lewisville Hebron       TX    105     South
    Flower Mound            TX    110     South
    Coppell                 TX    115     South
    Norman                  OK    120     South

Southeast
    Pine Crest              FL    115     Southeast
    Blacksburg              VA    145     Southeast
    Auburn                  AL    150     Southeast
    Bolles                  FL    190     Southeast
    Riverside               SC    200     Southeast
    Marietta                GA    205     Southeast
    Daniel                  SC    215     Southeast
    Mountain Brook          AL    215     Southeast
    Weddington              NC    220     Southeast
    Cardinal Gibbons        NC    220     Southeast
    Chiles                  FL    245     Southeast
    Green Hope              NC    250     Southeast
    McIntosh                GA    260     Southeast
    Padua Academy           DE    265     Southeast
    Montverde Academy       FL    265     Southeast
    Cuthbertson             NC    280     Southeast
    Tatnall                 DE    295     Southeast

Southwest
    Mountain Vista          CO     70     Southwest
    Lone Peak               UT    105     Southwest
    Battle Mountain         CO    125     Southwest
    Peak to Peak            CO    130     Southwest
    Desert Hills            UT    135     Southwest
    Corner Canyon           UT    170     Southwest
    Davis (UT)              UT    180     Southwest
    Rock Canyon             CO    180     Southwest
    American Fork           UT    185     Southwest
    Palmer Ridge            CO    195     Southwest
    Pine View               UT    200     Southwest
    Rocky Mountain          CO    205     Southwest